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Dan Bowen

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#8760


Hi All,
We're looking at Zigbee to talk to temp sensors in our ZP balloons this year. I've seen lots of zigbee talk on this list, but often the frequency used isn't mentioned. I've read a lot of the past posts regarding it, but I was wondering if anyone could just comment on your experiences with Zigbee de-sensing the GPS receiver. I.e. which freq of zigbee tx created the problem, and how far was it from the GPS and 2m

Thanks,

Dan

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BASE

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#8766


Dan,

We have used MaxStream (now Digi??) XBee Pro operating at 2.4 GHz with no problem for any of our radios (typically some version of Byonics MicroTrak) or GPS (Garmin 18). In some cases, all three devices are in a single styrofoam box.

We also have flown a configuration that has the XBee Pro, Garmin 18 and a FreeWave 900 MHz spread spectrum unit in the same box.

I have never experienced any problems with interference or de-sensing.

Howard, KC9QBN

BASE-DePauw

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--- On Sun, 10/31/10, Dan Bowen wrote:


From: Dan Bowen <dbowen1@...>
Subject: [GPSL] Zigbee freq for least 2m / GPS interference
To: "Gpsl"
Date: Sunday, October 31, 2010, 8:38 PM

Hi All,
We're looking at Zigbee to talk to temp sensors in our ZP balloons this year. I've seen lots of zigbee talk on this list, but often the frequency used isn't mentioned. I've read a lot of the past posts regarding it, but I was wondering if anyone could just comment on your experiences with Zigbee de-sensing the GPS receiver. I.e. which freq of zigbee tx created the problem, and how far was it from the GPS and 2m

Thanks,

Dan

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Stephen Meer

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#8767


Dan,

I echo Howard’s experience. I have flown both high and lowpower level Digi ZigBee 2 GHz modules that were mounted within 1” of GarminGPS-15 and uBlox GPS units (and within 3” of their antennas) without difficultyfor over 5 flights. In all cases I used ZigBee units with integral antennas,both the patch and wire version. Based on bench tests and field use I havealso not seen any indication of 2M receive sensitivity loss in the presence of 2GHz ZigBee either.

I utilize pretty standard foam core compartmented enclosures. Ido however place a mu-metal foil shield between the compartment housing the GPSantenna on the top of the payload and the lower compartments housing the restof the gear. No fancy feed through for the GPS coax is used. I got into thishabit from my 433 MHz balloon-bus days where I did have issue with GPS receiverinterference which was ultimately traced to the 433 MHz getting into the GPSantenna internal preamp.

In the past I have had to resolve interesting 2M birdies generatedfrom my serial data lines within the payloads so I would suggest checking forthose carefully.

/s/Stephen, K0SCC

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:GPSL@... [mailto:GPSL@...] On Behalf Of DanBowen
Sent: Sunday, October 31, 2010 6:38 PM
To: Gpsl
Subject: [GPSL] Zigbee freq for least 2m / GPS interference

Hi All,
We're looking at Zigbee totalk to temp sensors in our ZP balloons this year. I've seen lots ofzigbee talk on this list, but often the frequency used isn't mentioned.I've read a lot of the past posts regarding it, but I was wondering ifanyone could just comment on your experiences with Zigbee de-sensing the GPSreceiver. I.e. which freq of zigbee tx created the problem, and how farwas it from the GPS and 2m

Thanks,

Dan

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Dan Bowen

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#8772


Thanks guys, that's great information!!

Thanks,

Dan


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On Nov 1, 2010, at 11:56 AM, Meer, Stephen wrote:


Dan,

I echo Howard’s experience. I have flown both high and lowpower level Digi ZigBee 2 GHz modules that were mounted within 1” of GarminGPS-15 and uBlox GPS units (and within 3” of their antennas) without difficultyfor over 5 flights. In all cases I used ZigBee units with integral antennas,both the patch and wire version. Based on bench tests and field use I havealso not seen any indication of 2M receive sensitivity loss in the presence of 2GHz ZigBee either.

I utilize pretty standard foam core compartmented enclosures. Ido however place a mu-metal foil shield between the compartment housing the GPSantenna on the top of the payload and the lower compartments housing the restof the gear. No fancy feed through for the GPS coax is used. I got into thishabit from my 433 MHz balloon-bus days where I did have issue with GPS receiverinterference which was ultimately traced to the 433 MHz getting into the GPSantenna internal preamp.

In the past I have had to resolve interesting 2M birdies generatedfrom my serial data lines within the payloads so I would suggest checking forthose carefully.

/s/Stephen, K0SCC

EOSS

:GPSL@... [mailto:GPSL@...] On Behalf Of DanBowen
Sent: Sunday, October 31, 2010 6:38 PM
To: Gpsl
Subject: [GPSL] Zigbee freq for least 2m / GPS interference

Hi All,
We're looking at Zigbee totalk to temp sensors in our ZP balloons this year. I've seen lots ofzigbee talk on this list, but often the frequency used isn't mentioned.I've read a lot of the past posts regarding it, but I was wondering ifanyone could just comment on your experiences with Zigbee de-sensing the GPSreceiver. I.e. which freq of zigbee tx created the problem, and how farwas it from the GPS and 2m

Thanks,

Dan

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Bill Brown WB8ELK
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#8787


Dan,

Last August I flew a 100 milliwatt Zigbee PRO XSC unit on 915 MHz sittingabout 6 inches from my Inventek GPS board and I saw no desense problems...in fact I managed to get quite a few direct to ground telemetry strings from the Zigbee unit in the balloon using it's rubber duck antenna to my 8 dBi patch antenna and another Zigbee PRO unit on the ground from over 20 miles away....and in it's worse antennapattern for the balloon since I was directly underneath it while it was 20 miles above me.

- Bill WB8ELK

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-----Original Message-----
From: Dan Bowen
To: GPSL@...
Sent: Mon, Nov 1, 2010 2:29 pm
Subject: Re: [GPSL] Zigbee freq for least 2m / GPS interference

Thanks guys, that's great information!!

Thanks,

Dan


On Nov 1, 2010, at 11:56 AM, Meer, Stephen wrote:


Dan,

I echo Howard’s experience. I have flown both high and low power level Digi ZigBee 2 GHz modules that were mounted within 1” of Garmin GPS-15 and uBlox GPS units (and within 3” of their antennas) without difficulty for over 5 flights. In all cases I used ZigBee units with integral antennas, both the patch and wire version. Based on bench tests and field use I have also not seen any indication of 2M receive sensitivity loss in the presence of 2 GHz ZigBee either.

I utilize pretty standard foam core compartmented enclosures. I do however place a mu-metal foil shield between the compartment housing the GPS antenna on the top of the payload and the lower compartments housing the rest of the gear. No fancy feed through for the GPS coax is used. I got into this habit from my 433 MHz balloon-bus days where I did have issue with GPS receiver interference which was ultimately traced to the 433 MHz getting into the GPS antenna internal preamp.

In the past I have had to resolve interesting 2M birdies generated from my serial data lines within the payloads so I would suggest checking for those carefully.

/s/Stephen, K0SCC

EOSS

: GPSL@... [mailto:GPSL@...] On Behalf Of Dan Bowen
Sent: Sunday, October 31, 2010 6:38 PM
To: Gpsl
Subject: [GPSL] Zigbee freq for least 2m / GPS interference

Hi All,
We're looking at Zigbee to talk to temp sensors in our ZP balloons this year. I've seen lots of zigbee talk on this list, but often the frequency used isn't mentioned. I've read a lot of the past posts regarding it, but I was wondering if anyone could just comment on your experiences with Zigbee de-sensing the GPS receiver. I.e. which freq of zigbee tx created the problem, and how far was it from the GPS and 2m

Thanks,

Dan

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